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A Rabbi, a Pastor, and a Zen Monk Walk into a Bar…

…and agree that famously secular San Francisco is having a religious awakening. A divine conversation—with drinks.

From left to right: Haye, Monts, and Kushner

Reverend Shundo David Haye
Age: 48
Congregation: Young Urban Zen (YUZ), part of the San Francisco Zen Center
Started: June 2011
Where: A Victorian living room next to the center on Page Street
New Tradition: Après-work meditation hour on Mondays for twenty- and thirty-somethings
Crowd: North Face fleece meets monk robe

Pastor Aaron Monts
Age: 33
Congregation: Formerly Ikon Christian Community, Monts’s flock officially disbanded in October, but lives on as a spiritual discussion group
Started: October 2009
Where: A private home in NoPa; a borrowed church basement in Duboce Triangle; a common room in the Rose, an SRO in SoMa
New Tradition: No choir, but occasionally music-making computers
Crowd: SoMa startup meets Sixth Street SRO

Rabbi Noa Kushner
Age: 42
Congregation: The Kitchen
Started: June 2011
Where: Friends School in the Mission
New Tradition: Communal Shabbat dinners catered by Mission restaurants
Crowd: Single-origin espresso meets “Haven’t been to synagogue since my bar mitzvah”

 

Q: What brought you to San Francisco?
Rabbi Noa Kushner: I know it sounds clichéd, but it was an act of faith. San Francisco embraces experimentation. I knew that if I tried out the Kitchen in other parts of the country, it probably wouldn’t fly. But here we have this very experimental culture, this prototype culture.
Pastor Aaron Monts: For me, it was definitely a calling. I’m a Cubs fan, from Chicago. I came for a Giants game 10 years ago, and it was an amazing experience. Six years later, I moved here.
Reverend Shundo David Haye: I was a sound engineer in London and read about the Bicycle Coalition’s annual party in the Bay Guardian, and I thought, “That’d be fun—I’ll go talk to some people about bikes.” Instead, I met a woman who lived at the S.F. Zen Center. She became my wife.

The city has not always been on the friendliest terms with organized religion, particularly the Catholic church. Were you wary of starting something religious here?
Kushner: San Francisco is actually one of the most religious towns I know. In our first year, we already have a mailing list of 600-plus. Hundreds of people attended our High Holiday services this fall. And we didn’t make it easy for them—we couldn’t hold services at our regular space at Friends School, so we did them at the Fort Mason General’s Residence, which meant people had to climb 50 steps to get there! I continue to be blown away by how much people seem to be aching for community.
Haye: The tape recorder isn’t capturing all of our heads nodding. At our first meeting, we were expecting maybe 10 people to show up. But we had 25, then 30, 40, 50. The room was overflowing.

Who would you say is your congregation?
Haye: We get all sorts, in their 20s, 30s, a lot of tech types looking to turn off the noise. They’re ambitious and under the constant stress of a startup, but inside they have something else going on. They come here to express that.
Monts: We’ve been called a “hipster church” before. But that’s not really us. We have some people who grew up going to church or who were disenfranchised by the church, but also a lot of people who’ve never set foot in a church before. Our community is the most diverse I’ve ever seen, not just ethnically and racially, but socioeconomically. We have people who’ve sold their startups and people living in SROs. We’re kind of like a mini, more intimate Glide, but without the choir. We do have a banjo, though! [Editor’s note: Shortly after this interview was conducted, Ikon Christian Community shut down. Monts now organizes roving weekly discussion groups around the city.]
Kushner: We get the farmers’ market crowd—a little yoga, a little LGBT, a little bohemian. Maybe they were going to Pizzeria Delfina before, and now they’re going to Shabbat and then to pizza.
Monts: We get a lot of young people who heard about us through friends and thought, “Hey, that sounds cool.” We actually lack elders. I wish we had 70-, 80-, 90-year-olds to share their life experience.
Haye: Come over to the Zen Center. We’ve got a lot of old people. Our former abbotess is 86. She’s amazing.